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Tirpitz ala Rodney by Tzoli Tirpitz ala Rodney by Tzoli
Or Bismarck ala Nelson
I rarely edit German ships so look as a precious gem of it :D

An idea how would this German piece of naval architecture look like if the Nelson would have the base of inspiration for it.
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XR4ever Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013
Mmm, what then counterbalance all this? I thought machines goes to the rear in such designs...
But realy - it seems to be a certain goal in designing a "treaty cut-down" version of Bismarck class?
More power and armour with lighter SK38's
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually this have more firepower than the bismarck with 1 more barrel but 3 triple turret is surely weights less then 4 twin and their appropriate equipment (elevators, ammo storage etc) the counterbalance still can be achieved by moving the turbines a bit aft still a ship is not that simple as a plank
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XR4ever Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013
Just a notice, nothing serious...
I mean this is not a Nelson style turret layout with turret X pointing back. This was Fujimoto's design with 3 all-forward quadruple 510cm
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know but with this layout I could get the most space for the engines.

By the way I know about the Fujimoto Dream Battleship Proposal:
[link]

Though one of the Yamato Preliminary designs featured the same gun layout:
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XR4ever Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013
Well Dude, this is not a nelney nor rodson, You've set the turret X Fujimoto's "Banzai" style D=
This "German" looks gona play russian rulette while holding 3 barrels point-blanc to it's own brain!
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You say what???
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MacPaul Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
He basically said that arrangement if turret C is nonsense.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
does he really said that?
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MacPaul Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2013
Yep!
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zkfanart Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013
Woaa! Must say, I agree it really looks quite beautiful ;) I like those all weapons foward designs, as the Nelson and some japanese heavy cruisers designs ^^
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks :)
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zkfanart Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2013
Welcome! ^^
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Delaney8 Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
How about a Dunkerque style Graf Spee? With both turrets at the front, maybe even non-superfiring... this layout would allow for better armour protection, something the Panzerschiffs sorely needed... I know it would be not so good for corsair duty, expecially if you're being stern chased, but Graf Spee was pretty fast for her period... and rearranging the secondary 140mm guns at the stern would help...
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Naah I've thought about this but they are designed as convoy raiders and have a good chance to retreat if an enemy force shows up as they did and that aft firing gun would give a good pounding to the enemy
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Delaney8 Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
Well, germans were pretty much obsessed with protecting themselves from stern chasing... that's why the K class light cruisers had those weird offset aft turrets... actually, they did have a point: Scharnhorst was sunk in a stern chase. And it was one of the few german ships to have more guns at the front. That's bad luck :(
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep
I now thinking of these German Cruisers:
Prinz Eugen class, same as Hipper but with 2x2 and 2x3 20,3cm Guns
and two more cruiser types based on the P class hull:
with 3x3 and 4x3 20,3cm turrets
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Delaney8 Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the original P class: it's almost twice the displacement of Deutschland class but with the same six 11" guns... which is clearly not enough, as Graf Spee tragically proved at Rio de la Plata. 3x3 or 4x3 8" guns could actually solve the problem :)
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Lemmy-koopaling Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2013  Student Digital Artist
O.O
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:)
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Lemmy-koopaling Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Well, it could need some better defences on the tail-section... :o
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That was the back points of the design but if you check the battles ever one of them are broadside ones, from ww1 to late ww2!
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Lemmy-koopaling Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Ooh!
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milomike Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013
Mate, with those guns, it doesn't need any defense except AA guns, and maybe torpedo tubes, most German ships other battleships would encounter had less range and precision, by the way, which one you think is more beautiful? the Graf Spee or the Bismarck?
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Lemmy-koopaling Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Funny that you ask such a question...

Because as soon as I was like six, or seven years, I was inspired by Bismarck, it was awesome! Anyways, I found with a lot about Graf Spee, and I thought that it was a very neat ship!

But, to decide... Well,
Uhm,

Hard to decide. I like them both most.
But I enjoy Graf Spee's Superstructure, AND it's Torpedo-Turrets, reminds me of the Japaneese ones!

And what do you think?
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milomike Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013
The Graf Spee is extremely beautiful, and the Bismarck too, I prefer the Graf Spee because of it's lines, like sleek, but deadly versatile.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yep
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Lemmy-koopaling Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
:)
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Hunter2045 Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013
Not bad.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:)
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Canadiansamurai95 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
I like the concept. I would personally put several more 105mm AA turrets on the stern thought as well as some more light AA.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hmmm
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Siveir Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
I don't know, but I think I like the original layout more... I was really never a fan of Rodney class.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nelson :XD:
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Siveir Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Who cares? Doesn't matter, still don't like it :P
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol
Lord Horatio Nelson Would care it :XD:
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Delaney8 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Hey!
Bismarck and Tirpitz were probably inspired by the Queen Elizabeth class battleships and the battlecruiser Hood... maybe that's why they had 15" guns
Does this have 15" guns or is it upgraded to 16" like the real Nelsons?
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It had 38cm/15inch Triples
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Delaney8 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Well, it's still one gun more powerful than standard Birmascks...:)
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Wow
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Like it?
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Yep :D
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wingzero-01-custom Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
While the German Navy respected their counterparts across the straight, However I don't think they would go so far as to mimic one of their battleship designs. I personally like it though it's hard not to like the elegance of the Bismark Class in any arrangement. :) Though I honestly would love to see what you would do to a the Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigate in terms of her weapons arrangement. Though that's a relatively new ship considering what you've done so far but I suppose I can dream lol.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Oliver Hazard Perry Class??? That is too small in my opinion and by looking it, it's just a floating box!!!
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wingzero-01-custom Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
it basically is, it has a 76mm mid-ships on the 02 level. Once a upon a time they had a missile launcher on the forecastle, though now the navy has outmoded them and some ships have it replaced with what I want to say is a 35mm chain gun mount making the ole girls suitable to hand down to the Coast Guard when the time comes. Though mind you the ships also carry a CIWS Mount on the aft of the 02 level as well as a variety of 50 caliber mounts including twins above the pilothouse. The last armament that I can think of is the asroc (not sure how to spell that) decoy system. Oh and I forgot the two 35 mm chain guns on port and starboard sides as well as the tri-tubed torpedo launchers on port and stbd as well.

As for the size they're actually larger than most early WWII destroyers and roughly the same size as others built later during the war. I think they have some potential for a VLS system in the mid-ships area while placing the 76 on the forecastle, though I'm certain a great deal of internal rearranging would be an order.

Honestly I served on one for a few years so I could go one but this one is probably boring enough lol.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No it's not boring it's just I don't really edit such small ships 130m??? It's very few things you can put on it before it gets cramped or top heavy, also I look for some beauties or unique looks too in ships
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wingzero-01-custom Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I can understand that.
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