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Big Dream for a small navy by Tzoli Big Dream for a small navy by Tzoli
Before the First World War The Romanian Navy wanted to expand it's capacity so a plan was initiated in 1912:
This called for 6 Light Cruisers of 3500ton (None begun) 12 Destroyers of 1500ton of which 4 started and only 2 arrived and one submarine. Other plans were even more unrealistic calling for a battleship of 13.000tons armed with 4-305mm, 4-203mm and 12-150mm Guns.

So I decided to draw this Romanian Battleship Proposal which I call Bucaresti Class and based on the Austro-Hungarian Radetzky class.
It is only a bit smaller, changed the twin 240mm Turrets into single 203mm ones, 1000 nautical mile less range and one large single funnel instead of two smaller ones.

Coloured Version:
tzoli.deviantart.com/art/NMS-B…

The Simulation:

NMS Bucaresti, Romanian Battleship laid down 1912 (Engine 1914)

Displacement:
11 511 t light; 12 159 t standard; 12 466 t normal; 12 712 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(433,07 ft / 426,51 ft) x 78,74 ft x (26,25 / 26,63 ft)
(132,00 m / 130,00 m) x 24,00 m x (8,00 / 8,12 m)

Armament:
4 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 992,08lbs / 450,00kg shells, 80 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model
2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 255,74lbs / 116,00kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 5,91" / 150 mm 50,0 cal guns - 100,31lbs / 45,50kg shells, 200 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1910 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 9,92lbs / 4,50kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6 235 lbs / 2 828 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,917 t each, 3,667 t total
submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9,06" / 230 mm 277,23 ft / 84,50 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 149,28 ft / 45,50 m 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
Upper: 4,72" / 120 mm 277,23 ft / 84,50 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
2,13" / 54 mm 277,23 ft / 84,50 m 20,05 ft / 6,11 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 70,87 ft / 21,60 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9,84" / 250 mm 5,91" / 150 mm 7,87" / 200 mm
2nd: 7,09" / 180 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
3rd: 4,72" / 120 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm
Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 9,84" / 250 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 20 000 shp / 14 920 Kw = 20,50 kts
Range 2 334nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 553 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
589 - 766

Cost:
£1,015 million / $4,060 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 315 tons, 10,5 %
- Guns: 1 308 tons, 10,5 %
- Weapons: 7 tons, 0,1 %
Armour: 5 463 tons, 43,8 %
- Belts: 3 149 tons, 25,3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 437 tons, 3,5 %
- Armament: 944 tons, 7,6 %
- Armour Deck: 818 tons, 6,6 %
- Conning Tower: 114 tons, 0,9 %
Machinery: 847 tons, 6,8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 836 tons, 30,8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 955 tons, 7,7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0,4 %
- Hull below water: 20 tons
- Hull above water: 10 tons
- On freeboard deck: 15 tons
- Above deck: 5 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20 817 lbs / 9 442 Kg = 24,0 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,5 torpedoes
Metacentric height 4,9 ft / 1,5 m
Roll period: 15,0 seconds

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a round stern
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,42 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20,65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Waterplane Area: 22 275 Square feet or 2 069 Square metres
Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 691 Kg/sq metre
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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:iconkara-alvama:
Kara-ALVAMA Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome stuff. Like the Chinese vessel, this was actually real planned? Even your drawing is based at impressions?
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You sure Russians know how to make designs which others would look at big round eyes!!!
otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000…
otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000…

Put a full battleship armament on a size of a coastal warship!
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Real dream of the Romanian navy.
There were no drawings (or none survived) so I based it on the Radetzky class which is similar in armaments, though the single funnel I'm not sure, it's my idea for one large funnel instead of two smaller
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:iconkara-alvama:
Kara-ALVAMA Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea indeed! Well choise :) I like!
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:)
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zkfanart Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
So did they prefered the reciprocating engines than the turbines...
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well I just used the Radetzky as a basis which had VTE, maybe I change the engines to turbines
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zkfanart Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013
Ahn, okies ;) That transition times many navies still used the triple expansion ones ^^
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Delaney8 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Romanian pre dreadnought... nice!
I'm not really informed on the romanian navy... did they ever had capital ships like this?
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nope, their largest ships are the Cruiser Elisabeta and the Guided Missile Destroyer Marsesti:
[link]
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It is more like a pre dreadnought style battleship in the age of dreadnought as the requirements were made for a ship in 1912
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Delaney8 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
yes, in 1912 everybody had switched to dreadnoughts, but Romania doesn't have that much coastal territory... I guess a dreadnought like a modified Viribus Unitis would have been kind of useless.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Mine is a modified Radetzky class. But a battleship could be used for bombardment too and defend against cruisers
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013
interesting
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Talking about Maximum on Minimum!
otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000…
otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000…
Russians know their stuff :D
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
They don't know that one shot from such a tiny hull would tip the ship over tho :XD:
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well then they should note fire all at once :D
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:iconienkoron:
Ienkoron Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
Even one would do it :XD:
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No. they are close to the water. And remember 2 british monitors were equipped with single 18inch cannons!
hough most of them had twin 14 or 15inch and much higher above water
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
True, I was being Facetious :) You'd only be able to use then on a calm water area, so I guess they were designed for Black Sea duties
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe I will try to draw them :D
They use the the guns and such the turrets of the Borodino class BC's so that would not be a problem either, probably the hullform only, I will try to look at the monitors and the Swedish Sverige class
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah and you not even read what was China wanted before ww1....
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Oh? Sounds like I ought to look it up :D
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Check around this current reply here
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
I see, honestly not a bad plan, in essence, just horrible timing and finances....
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry this link:
[link]
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Here is the 10500tons Coastal BB proposal for china:
[link]
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Not too shabby
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In my eyes they looks like two British Monitors merged together
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
:nod:
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
ok
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aruon Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013
yeah, the chinese empire could've had a strong navy if it weren't for all the things going against them at the time. especially corruption.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Talking about Maximum on Minimum!
otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000…
otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000…
Russians know their stuff :D
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aruon Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
well i don't read russian but i take it those are some nasty ass battleships?
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You just only need to read the numbers and you will see
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
More like a Civil war:

THE 1908 NAVAL PLANS
In 1908 an approximate programme of modernisation and reorganisation of the Navy was prepared. The Chinese Navy was to consist of three fleets (North, South and Central), each with 1 battleship of 14,000 tons, 1-2 first class cruisers, 4-5 second class, 5-6 third class and 6 fourth class and an uncertain number of dispatch vessels, gunboats and torpedo craft. The large ships to be built in Japan and the smaller in China. An edict of 15 July 1909 created a naval and military advisory board to centralise administration. A Chinese naval commission was sent abroad and on its return at the end of 1910 two new programmes were announced. The First 'small' four-year programme called for 3 training cruisers of 3000 tons, 8 gunboats of 500 tons, 1 destroyer and 1 naval transport of 2000 tons at a total cost of 19.5 million taels (about 3 million pounds). Nearly all of these ships were ordered and built. The 'large' seven-year programme called for 8 battleships of 16,000 tons, 20 cruisers, 30 destroyers and torpedo boats as well as numerous gunboats and auxiliary ships at a total cost of 160 million taels (about 53 million pounds) or one and half times the Empire's estimated revenue in 1908. Two new naval bases in Nimrod Bay (on the coast of Chekiang, East China) and Nienshan (North China) were planned. Moreover coast defences, river flotillas and the training squadron were to be strengthened.
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aruon Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013
wow. i take it it was axed with the rise of the short-lived republic of china (before the kuomintang)
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Here is the 10500tons Coastal BB proposal for china:
[link]
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:iconaruon:
aruon Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
damn. that guy sure got shafted in the long run
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Heh?
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep
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